I think Hybels and Billy Graham lost their beliefs somewhere along the way. @ dee: If they were sent and stored in a encrypted format, then you would need the key to open them and read them. You think you know yet you dont. Willow wont even list Mars Hill on Steve Carters website bio. This will sound horrible to some but I never understood the overall hug culture. I cannot imagine the pressure that your sister is experiencing. Watch and youll see it some day! Brad, given my age, their is a high probability that I was taking college bible class before you were born. The new letter to John Ortberg is a farce and anyone who has been a victim advocate is aware of it. Nancy Ortberg remains affiliated as a board member and husband John Ortberg a prolific speaker, author and leader continues to return to be a guest speaker at Willow Creek for several years after they left Willow Creek? Electronic medical records are a good example of confidentiality in action. Sometime in the next two weeks, I am going to write a story about a woman who was raped by her husband. Whew, those poor WC members have been exposed to some characters! If he is sincere about his reasons for retiring early, make a very public statement for people to knock it off and let him go away quietly. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkOke2noyc Hybels led many. Tell your sister that I am standing with her in spirit and in prayer. (1) Discovery of 1,150 emails between Bill and the woman over the previous two years. Standing Ovations: Whats the Difference Between Highpoint Church and Willow Creek Community Church, Some Thoughts on Supposedly Feminist Men Who Reportedly Abuse/Harass Women | futuristguy, http://www.divorceminister.com/nancy-ortberg-shares-her-side-rebill-hybels-allegations/, https://vondadyer.weebly.com/blog/vonda-dyers-statement-re-chicago-tribune-and-bill-hybels, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa0EtdtPi8w, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv72Q23lIp0, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkOke2noyc, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLT3Cb96-Mk, https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=28151%5D, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed. Many self/proclaimed Christians dont. I not only strongly agree, I tend to look back at the whole Church movement, and see a change that began with you guessed it Bill Hybels and Willow Creek. In the seeker world, it tends to mean numbers, programs, etc. I chose to focus on the positive, job well done, not the negative. The question is this: if Jesus came to visit your church, would he jump for joy and say, Yes! And you re-evaluate. Its rarely what people are told to believe it is. So your mind overrides your gut. (My roommate confirmed with the Tribune) When I got to the room, Bill had wine opened and waiting. Medical records are handled in this fashion. I bought pants, shirts, belts and sweaters and you picked what you wanted and paid me for those items. Its the same thing my university wrings their hands over. Nancy Ortbergs post is downright damning, IMO. Thank you for that comment, Lydia. I could be misconstruing everything & he may just be being over-sympathetic to me as a now single woman, trying to be nice, trying to be helpful (which he is to everyone). Lynne Hybels and Bill Hybels have two grown children, Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels, and one son-in-law, Aaron Niequist.. So much! One thing Im certain of, Bill Hybels would NEVER have hired men like Paul or Peter to be teaching pastors at Willow. It is incredibly sad to see. To teach Nancy a lesson with deflection? When youre the victim of something creepy, such as abuse, suggestive sexual behavior or private narcissistic rage or whatever ugly thing from a pastor who holds himself up as a paragon of virtue, people often feel embarrassed at having been involved in it, even if they had nothing to do with the wrongful actions. The Kingdom of God is not massive corporate structures and clever corporate game plans. Dr George Simon Jr a clinical psychologist and writes about character disorder, manipulative personalities and malignant narcissism. @ Lydia: It is clear to me that God did not want this hidden any longer. Learn to value yourself. I have long been leery of Hybels (and other mega church pastors) because these guys are basically Christian rock stars and are treated accordingly. Ever. Lynne Hybels is the wife of Bill Hybels-renowned founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in Illinois. LOL I sure never did on the few creepy weirdo hugs I was subjected to! Its the attempt by pastors to do life together and facilitate relationship-building which will then hopefully anchor the visitor to the church and reduce dropouts and increase retention rates. So were other women who were dealing with this privately. But friends I hug more frequently, family, etc. Instead of turning the other cheek or choosing kindness in the midst of your disappointment, I see anger and a willingness to hurt other people. That ill advised letter by Jodi is one example. It is hard enough fighting rampant sex abuse in churches. I know of one drawing up plans for an old fashioned Chapel complete with a steeple to put on their campus for those who prefer smaller churches. He is loving and gracious and is you biggest fan! Willow Creek does not need the current crop of leaders. Then I started questioning that after quite a few! This is about strange behavior which was tolerated because one guy knew how to build a church and bring in money. If I were a member, I would call for a complete replacement. No quid pro quo to substantiate. Willow Creek / Bill Hybels had IT powered by the Ambien Operating System. Lets pretend we know what we are doing., When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time. Maya Angelou. As Im reading the comments, its becoming evident that theres something horribly wrong with Willow Creek church. And us adults have to learn not to be so easily snookered by evil experts masquerading as wonderful people and pass red flags along to children. This is MBA stuff. Whats being destroyed is the idol worship of Bill Hybels. ..I know my sheep and they know me .. He came to die for His sheep and he knew us before we were born. Bingo. Will they not both fall into a pit? I wonder if her crisis of faith was after finding out about something shady Bill was doing? Publishers are pulling back for a reason. Its up to friends what they do. More of my thoughts here: http://www.divorceminister.com/nancy-ortberg-shares-her-side-rebill-hybels-allegations/. normal life stuff. This was mishandled. I do. @ Davis and Natasha: And Pastor/Apostles Passive-Aggressive Attack Dogs (Tsk. who originally wrote plastic jesus - is lynne hybels still married to bill - is lynne hybels still married to bill Certainly does not sound like the sort of objective, information-seeking statement one would expect from an informational meeting. Im thinking of 2 comments right now from over a year ago in which you reposted comments you attempted to post elsewhere. She was still hoping that he had changed. I dont know that I qualify in your estimation as a person of substance, but Ive been a reader/commenter on this blog for 10 years and have seen Law Profs post for a number of years and know some of his background. And yes, I cuddled our dog as a little girl. I would posit that there are at least two types of sexual abusers, and it appears that the narcissists seeking to traumatize people into submission outnumber those who act out irresistible urges. You see pastor do something and you know its off, but you rationalize it away I mustve misunderstood what was going on. Down the road, you something else, maybe far worse comes up, you think Oh, pastor, hes a little quirky, but he means well. You then experience something genuinely alarming, you think Well, hes an imperfect man, but God uses us all, no ones perfect.. This one is so true. The founding couple died, and the board got rid of those naughty kids and grandkids. is lynne hybels still married to bill. May God raise up more people like Josiah who tore down the high places and every high thing that exalted itself against the knowledge of God until Jesus becomes the only thing worshipped in the church. I did respond and said that I loved Billy Graham I allow comments like this to stand so people can see problems I have experienced within Big Eva. Ok. Ok. Ortberg actually does have a chance to step up and be the bigger man here. How to Resign from a Church Its The guy at church who wants a side hug. Whether anyone associated with any of his accusers is a jerk or not, I fail to see the pointunless, of course, the point is to smear whoever accuses him so that people will think twice before bringing forth any more stories. This is a serious question we all need to ask ourselves about our own churches. Its what someone mentioned in another thread about 75% of people go along with whatever to be accepted. Hybels fell for him when he was on staff with Rob Bell at Mars Hill EMERGENT Church, in Grand Rapids. These have what I think are some significant parallels from which to consider some larger patterns. That is a big part of the problem. Yet, recent expanded personal testimony and wider media discovery has presented material that strongly suggests an Willow Creek senior pastoral history of improper judgement in relation to proper scriptural leading or proper inner-workings of a church representing the teachings of Jesus Christ. Bill and Lynne Hybels draw on their own personal experience and a guiding faith to offer practical advice on how to enjoy a lifetime of togetherness -- from finding a suitable mate and dealing with the most common marital problems to avoiding the pitfalls that can sabotage a healthy relationship. @ Julie: Of course not. Obviously very biblically ignorant site!! Last Son Standing? Simul justus et peccator. (Spell check keeps changing it to percolator!). They said they could look him in the eye and discern if he was telling the truth.. Ok. 1 kiss What I am remembering, and what troubled me then, is how these well-meaning people fell under the Willow Creek spell, and how their little, creaky, boring churches could not compete with the new mega entertainment center. I worked for a large pharmaceutical firm. So sad. Ever thought of switching to WordPress? Creepy hug? I am NOT AMUSED! You just described me. The principles are sound, thoughwell enough to be applied to anyone's marriage, especially those looking to place God in the middle. Whatever the intention, both teach. Read Acts 2. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. The works of an evangelist is to call people to Jesus. He spent a week capturing one of the biggest aurora borealis shows in recent years. I think I said in another thread, there are hugs and there are hugs and we can generally tell the difference. Remember Bill hybels stepped down. So what does that say about what he thinks of me that he thinks he can help himself to my woman? So call the best pastor you can, but the best pastor is the most Christ-like, not the most TV-ready. Of course Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus. In a Facebook post shared over the weekend, a church member accused Dr. B. of kissing, fondling, and pressuring her with sex between 1984 and 1988. Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. Does Bill Hybel teach future pastors how to get their IT departments to have special deals? "The question of how to pay for reforms long-term became an issue this week after the SBCs Executive Committee announced it had lost $6 million over the past fiscal year, mainly due to the cost of responding to the sex abuse crisis. We do not allow rank condemnation of anyone who has been victimized, even if said person doesnt believe them. Even then, she was ashamed about what happened to her, as if it was her fault. When you read it, I think you might as well. @ dee: Dee, I get it bothers you. - The issue with those who had represented themselves before God and man as being in a place of spiritual authority with the responsibility to be above reproach often have escaped civil or criminal conviction or any sort of permanent admission of guilt or shortcoming for which repentance is called. William Hybels (born December 12, 1951) is an American church figure and author. Wailing Wall-Satanic Ritual? I have seen it for over 20 years. Im not trying to do anything but reel in my disappointment in what has been going on at Willow Creek. @ Deborah: Ok. Many years back Hybels started up the World Leadership Conferences which in reality means World Domination Conferences. Its very complicated. It is now obvious to me why Ortberg not only believed the accounts of the other victims but why she advocated for them. I pity you if thats the case. If you think they dont see our sin, you are fooling yourself. Russ Moore agrees with you. I cant help but see your point here. This fact is well known to those who are around sexual abuse/misconduct situations. And I promise: NO ONE was ever saved, in all history, because of eloquence. Note how often those being accused are the old dogs, gone or soon to be gone from the public eye anyway. I think the safest place for interaction is in public. There was also some sort of one world conspiracy deal. April 13, 2018. This easy-to-follow guide for enjoying a happy, healthy, and lifelong relationship includes . @ dee: @ April Kasper: Wild!!! Im unclear about what faith journey means, but it sounds very Willow Creek. And why on earth is this even a discussion? Like they say, to each his own. And could it easily be construed as creating complicity by whoever carried out that demand? Yep. I agree. In 1974 Lynne married Bill Hybels, a youth pastor. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. It was part of his long time abuse of her. Wife Bill Hybels married his wife in 1974 when Bill was a youth pastor. How many times do you think it needs to be posted? I highly recommend it, as well as his book, I dont understand the focus by this and other commenters on when did she tell her husband, When I got to his room, Bill had wine opened and waiting. Trying to encourage and create the best in everyone.. I find it a it off putting that anyone would keep a list of *how many have you led to Christ. The Body of Christ will be fine. Little nobodies dont stand a chance. The Devil is destroying yet another church. I pity you if thats the case. Since you are well versed, go back to Jesus in the Garden the night he was betrayed. But it is the structure, really. Enough has been said about BH for him to be disqualified in my book, and given how Williow Creek model was push on much of christainity, we are all well within the commands of the NT to exhibit judgement and wisdom if want, we can start playing the verse naming game if you wish. In the meantime, Crossway is still publishing and selling C.J. Did her husband ask her not to say anything for FEAR of losing his job? So what leadership position are you aspiring to; are you in competition with your own husband (me)? I will keep the website updated. Senior 501(c)3 Willow Creek management apparently did not throughly examine the extent of the personal witness/testimony/allegations at the time of presentation. But, I seriously doubt your using scripture as a club will shame, convince or condemn many here. Christ truely cared about the underdog, and did not like religious leaders that abused their positions. I only hugged a co-worker once. His wife had died rapidly of inflammatory breast cancer and we were at the funeral home for visitation. But at church with people you see week after week? I underestimated their ability to constantly reinvent themselves to keep the money flowing. Mary, you judge day in and day out. Frankly, I think people went to great lengths to protect Hybels including the women he groomed and hit on. I am going to say something that will probably cause an uproar. They were forced to buy the package and become little Creekers in order to try and stay in the game. Im not out to defend Rob Bell, but Im not convinced that his view of hell can be called heresy, at least based on historical Christianity. They gain influence or trust first and then use that as cover for another manipulation agenda. I do not buy Hybels IT excuse for one second. We were in both places for years and said little or nothing. I know. That has got to be trans-species perversion right there. The logical conclusion of B. Brucker position is that ends justifies the means. Hugging spouse and kids a lot is good. It may not be what everyone wants, even if it is innocent. Hybels was slated to retire from his position at Willow Creek in October 2018; however, he resigned in April 2018 after allegations of sexual misconduct were made against him. To me (and probably to a lot of jurors), timely Disappearing of Evidence = ADMISSION OF GUILT. Thank you for adding some lightness to this overwhelming news. I would have probably rolled my eyes at Vonda on stage in 2003 because I despised the commercial entertainment mega world by then. She bears serious emotional scars to this day, several decades later. Of course, you have move people beyond that into a mature relationship with the Lord and some megas neglect this. The statement was wrong in every way and since there is a great possibility that the group is very concerned and just seeking truth. Not surprising that you are getting off-colored comments from some WC members. Then read the story of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. He may or may not have been directly abusing his own wife, but he surely was abusing the women in his church who he targeted. Used their positions of power to gain access to women who had big dreams Did her husband ask her not to say anything for FEAR of losing his job? Yet, the faith grew in the midst of these awful circumstances. Messy as it might be, this is better I think. The church is now thriving with new leadership, honoring Jesus instead of greedy indiscrete nepotism. Bill did nothing wrong at all! I dont know how to respond to the letter. It would seem the as yet unnamed individual, reported to have had an affair, has legal claim against multiple parties. Peter was upset. Add a spiritual plastic Jesus fish to the scenario above and its 10x easier to manipulate. It never ceases to amaze me that the Pew sitters continue on without ever demanding to see a detailed budget. The new lead pastor discounts the claims of the betrayed and encourages the women of the church to believe differently. Bill Hybels and his wife, Lynne, tell about Willow Creek's beginnings, its struggles, the philosophy behind its success, and the strategies that have made it a model for church growth. Like you, quite a few of us have spent years studying it deeply. . But here we are! Really? And Long Prayers will be said for justification. It alarmed me to learn that Nancy Ortberg was also the subject of Bill Hybels unwanted attention and actions. One-World ANYTHING is a recognition signal for End Time Prophecy Wack Job. If he was having problems with women when taking Ambien, why didnt he stop taking it and get help? (Dee), TELL YOUR DOCTOR if you have unlikely but serious side effects of Ambien including: Some will sadly never make the decision to follow Christ. Jan 13, 2018. Many of them rented out old Walmart stores and added satellite campuses with downlinks. Note: Nancy Ortberg served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek Community Church. He could claim that she was making up her story. (2) A face-to-face conversation with Bill Hybels on April 6th. There are no winners here. If he was having problems with women when taking Ambien, why didnt he stop taking it and get help? Sadly, this woman does not understand how business is conducted. Anyone who says otherwise or who tries to slam someone for not telling immediately just doesnt know what theyre talking about. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed. She claims Bill Hybels brought up the incident in Hawaii about the ambien. Bill Hybels is human and who are we to judge? Lynne Hybels, Wife of Pastor Bill Hybels, Gloriously Rises Above It All to Find a Christianity She 'Had Never Known' Photo Credit: LynneHybels.com "My husband and I have been married for over four decades. If it is seeing a good friend after a long time, a family member, etc, understandable. Hybels, the influential founder and pastor willow creek, resigned in april 2018 after 42 years leading the church. IM HEIR TO HIS THRONE! At CertainPublicSchool kids have been caught in the rest room actually having sex as well as dosing on drugs. Why wait until now?? This is just how we do; I dont know. My former abusive, cultish and abuser-friendly church was positively obsessed with unity. The pastor preached on it continually. The pastor didnt understand that this was not about sex but about control and power. Then read the story of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. Lynne Hybels was born on 21st November 1951. The Spirit works, sometimes over decades, with friends and acquaintances. Oh, absolutely. A brave woman called each person out, which led to subsequent allegations, Differences Posting from East China where these kind of things often, ahem, usually get brushed under the carpet. That isnt what I was talking about and I should have clarified. There are films to prove it. Ummmmm Brad. We are all sinners and we all fail. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey.. @ dee: Because TWW doesnt have a tick the box to be notified of future comments, and because my comments seem to go live straight away, I have often felt unconfident that the TWW team or people I have replied to in a comments thread at TWW have noticed my comments. 1 kiss @ Davis and Natasha: Come Lord Jesus! A few years ago, I posted The Aurora byTerjeSorgjerd. So they fell in line with the One World system, befriended evil people and embraced Satans (the worlds) ways. And his comment is A church? Put a frog in a pot,with boiling water and the frog knows to jump out, but if the water is a slow boil, the frog with stay and finally be boiled. Assuming that Ms. Walle isnt lying whatever her tone or motives Ortberg could go first and model real manhood by addressing her claims directly, owning what is true, and asking for forgiveness, as warranted. And us adults have to learn not to be so easily snookered by evil experts masquerading as wonderful people and pass red flags along to children. At what point will Heather Lawson realize that Willow Creek needs to over? Later I did not know how or who to talk to and began to second-guess and doubt myself as to its significance; that is, until years later when I began to hear stories of other similar encounters. The church and association are no longer paying Hybels a salary or other payments, according to the report, but a binding retirement agreement is still in place until 2020. One person even called him *Joseph. 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