So I would get, from Mike Levy, typically, what my assignments were. I should be very careful here. No, its time for Russell, I really need this, I really need it, the country really needs it. I suppose everyone has his own definition of intimate, but by any standard Im familiar with, I was not an intimate of Clintons. That certainly, in terms of social assistance to low-income working age people, that was a transformative administration. We had a macro economic task force. That was a period during which [Boris] Yeltsin was just coming onto the stage. But it coincided, I think more importantly than that, with the onset of huge political problems for Clinton in the context of Vince Foster, Whitewater, and the entire beginning of that. I think of people like [Harold] Carswell and [Clement] Haynsworth that Nixon appointed and who didnt make it, it was mostly because they were seen as inferior candidates. Bentsen advised him to take it. Weve talked about the general idea that the administration was going to accept pain by having deficit reduction in the early years, but theres still the question of how youre going to mete out the pain. Its always a mistake to critique the Federal Reserve. Of course, we were in a different time zone, 12 hours different. Im not an economist, so maybe Im making a bad assumption here, but was there a discussion at this time about when you could start feeling some benefits from this pain that you were asking the President to accept at a fairly early stage in his Presidency? So it depends a lot on the people. He seemed very tired, I remember that. Then the reality is, it seems to me, that most Presidencies, Im sorry, great Presidencies, are forged in crisis. I mean, we had these discussions, we had these ways to measure progress and so forth, that sometimes alarmed economists in the United States because they seemed protectionist. You recently saw Secretary John Snow in a very studied fashion talk about, make an effort to ease the dollar down, we saw that on two different occasions, and I know how these things work. Yes, that was bad advice. He just knew how it worked. Was it the selection of the people who were going to do the economic. There had been a pre-election transition organization, and Im trying, Jim, to remember who headed up that operation. Rather than ask about the mundane, I think it makes sense to go right to the next dramatic thing. Sure, sure. He was quite an unknown in New York, wasnt he, until he came, appeared, and talked? I think Henry Kissinger would still be Secretary of State if people had allowed him to be, whatever he thought of who he was serving. I was just in awe of people like that. Whether his actual conversation with Dick Morris about the Lewinsky matter is true or not, would the American people accept an apology? The process for conceiving it was a frail one, poor one. But I interpreted that to mean, Maybe you should, because I felt that if he thought I shouldnt, hed say so. It wasnt a great agreement. I was asked a second time to do it on the healthcare. But the politics of the Btu tax, as compared to other types of energy taxes, were not well considered. There were those obviously who felt the most important thing was to get the deficit down. You had made your choice to support him before it was clear that he was going to wow a lot of people in New York. He had tried to offer every imaginable olive branch to the Iranian leadership. Way back in season one of Shameless, Fiona got a housekeeping job at a hotel. I know the Congress and the Congress isnt going to buy it. It wasnt particularly formed before then. But from their vantage point, thats when they experienced intense partisanship. Welfare reform is a different issue, though. As everybody knows, ultimately there was not a single Republican vote cast for it, neither in the House nor the Senate. Im not the best witness on that because I didnt see it or feel it, but there may well have been. It was quite a full-bore effort. Thats a very important difference, because it addressed healthcare, various items on childrens policy, crime initiatives, urban policythe full span of domestic policy issues, of which economic policy was just one element. You asked me when the most important policy development occurred and I would say there are several answers to that but number one would be post election, not pre-election. Now we became aware pretty early that there were some real problems with this proposal. You get there and then you figure out what your actual sequence of initiatives is going to be. I went and visited the injured agents in the hospital. Then I came upstairs, Hillary was there. Clinton had one and in this instance, on the stimulus program, he should have listened to him. Bentsen had a lucidits hard to describe how lucid Bentsens observations always were. Eventually they did, but it wasnt because of this agreement, big macro forces had them do it. Youre only there because he allowed you to be, and you owe him a debt of gratitude for that because without him no service, and without service your life is less. Now streaming on: Powered by A lot of people wanted to work on Capitol Hill or think tanks or with interest groups. Were you helping write drafts of Putting People First, platform areas? No, what Im trying to say is that there were several points of view advanced by some of the people there, who had, in one form or another, policy experience. More in terms of ostracism from your former colleagues. But therein, to some degree, lay the opportunity for Clinton to re-establish his credentials as a man of conviction. The Treasury has a wonderful history of its own and a great deal of pride suffuses those halls. But Lloyd Bentsen was in that league, top five or six or seven. But that was really after the economic program passed. During the transition period the question was, Who are we going to nominate the head the RTC? But you can imagine the irony of that comment because the Republicans to a man were opposing it because it is tax and spend economics, and the President is saying its going to go down because it is Wall Street economics. At the time we were working on it there was a sense on the Japanese side that it was a zero-sum game. Is he somebody who, from your perception, makes close friends at all? Ive never either been attracted to that approach nor felt that it was an effective one. Do you think that making this effort was driven by foreign policy considerations first and foremost, or was it genuinely an economic policy? By and large Bentsen talked to Clinton when Clinton called him.That was the way it worked. At best I had an input, and in some cases it was just obvious that some of these other folks had to be in it. I ran three times for student office while I was there. He is also a trustee of New York-Presbyterian Hospital, serving on its finance committee. Clintons that way. When you were suggesting Edmund Morris I was thinking. And author of the Statute of Religious Freedom for the State of Virginia. How did the decision-making go about to decide on these different components of the package? It doesnt make sense, it belies any grasp of history, and so forth. But the student radical movement had not penetrated? My comment is a retrospective comment. Phil Gramm, Ill never forget, predicted that it would usher in a new depressionI mean depression, not recession. He said, Its up to you. Can you tell us about that? Bentsen only talked to about five or six Senators. Ive been struck on several occasions in response to questions, youve referred to historical patterns and trends. Chicago, of course, always has been, and they attracted very different students. Were still in the transition period, and now may be the appropriate time to talk about the process by which deficit reduction becomes a clear priority item over some of the other things that were talked about during the course of the campaign. There was an acknowledgment, though, fairly early on that something needed to happen? I spoke to the Oklahoma state legislature. Roger Altman, better known by her family name Roger Charles Altman, is a popular American Financial professional. But most of my time was spent on legislation. It was the usual degree of difficulty that early, not really greater because he was from Arkansas. I also think it is wrong politically. We didnt know if we were going to win. Any meaningful change in the bill, particularly if were talking about the last month or two, was only done with the approval of the President. He had just made it through this cliffhanging vote on which the administrations credibility for the next several years, I think, would largely depend, and it depends on the support of overwhelming shares of Democrats in the House and the Senate to get through. A lot of kids who went to Georgetown were interested in having a good time, and most people who went to Chicago were really serious about their academic pursuits and the world around them. He said, What do you want to do? In this case it was well coordinated because Howard Paster was really excellent at his job. Here we are in June 2003 and the election as we all know is November 04, so its 16 months or so Actually, as often happens in Washington, accounts of that testimony appeared in a lot of newspapers and mostly on page D20. No, I did not. I was in Tokyo with President Clinton, the Tokyo Economic Summit and Id made several trips to Tokyo paving the way for that. He never did anything spontaneously, at least professionally speaking. Youre an exception to this. We didnt spend a tremendous amount of time talking about, If we do this, Greenspan will do that. I know Bentsen, especially in retrospect I know Bentsen. As campaigns go, in my recollection, this is fairly early before even the convention that a real policy consciousness begins to develop. Altman gave His view was, I want to pick good people and let them do their jobs. We made two or three trips to Japan and then there was the Tokyo Economic Summitthe G7 Summit in the fall of 93 which happened to be planned many years in advance for Tokyo. But with regard to deficit reduction. He just determined each time that what he had to do was get through this chapter and somehow live to fight for the next one and didnt take the longer view. Ive known many members. I should have realized I was stepping into a potential mine field but I didnt, although I do have to say that I called my lawyer and asked him if there was any reason I shouldnt take this and he said, Yes, there are about 200 reasons. But it wasnt political on one hand, policy on the other, just different ideologies. It wasnt any of those. And presided over eight years of peace. Yes, Clinton was gregarious, obviously bright. We were both quite active in student government. For the finance minister of an industrialized country to talk down his own currency always proves to be a mistake, always. I should double-check that. Id met Bentsen a few times. But Clinton really got into it. I may have attended a few meetings, but I only began to be immersed in healthcare after the Presidents plan passed and I became the Treasury person on the Hillary Clinton healthcare task force. I mean, theyre all just issuing healthcare plans right now and there are some important differences among them, but 99 percent of the primary voters will not know those differences. He talked about a middle-class tax cut and, of course getting the economy moving. The Regency Hotel. We came up with a Btu [British thermal unit] tax. But when youre in the administrationI mean, as you well know, there are many on the more liberal side of the Clinton alumni who think the administration basically adopted the Republican position on welfare reform and that was what enabled it to happen, and anybody could have done it and Clinton doesnt deserve a lot of credit for it. I did the best I could. In fact, I went out West for vacation and I was interrupted and came back and went to the first of what became endless healthcare meetings. Thats why I wonder whether there was some kind of perception, outside. Was it defined initially as a Democratic Party issue and Republicans were cut out, or how did that happen? But you know, theres a real sense of the torch passing and history, and one had to be struck, even though Id been involved with Clinton from mid 91, by the youth and vigor that Clinton and Gore exuded, and Ive always personally liked the south, so I enjoyed being there, so I did go. I mean, it was just a morgue. [ALTMAN - comments on the message as to Thomas Jefferson is under-appreciated as a President. Which has become a part of the conventional wisdom about this period now, perhaps based on Woodwards analysis. Now remember, Clinton had said he was going to cut the deficit in half. But in any event, the cooperation in both cases was optimal. In that regard, I would guess that your background on Wall Street was a big help in terms of talking with these members and having a rapport with them that they would feel comfortable with? 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